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Re: Is Opera 12 standard portable or not ?

#166 Post by Midas »

webfork wrote:As some of the Slashdot comments indicated, I hope they open the Presto engine's code as I expect (with better mobile device support than probably any other browser) it still has wide appeal.
Undoubtedly, that would be the best choice if Opera is really willing to contribute to/sustain the vitality of the Web ecosystem, as they stated... :|

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Re: Is Opera 12 standard portable or not ?

#167 Post by freakazoid »

Very sad indeed.

However, I don't see how people are still going to switch to Opera.

Let's say that Opera's browser still stays the same from a UI perspective, but simply switches engines from Presto to Webkit (which would take undoubtedly a ton of resources and time to do, but let's say for sake of argument that it's possible).

Won't Opera still have the problem of marketing themselves? This change doesn't solve that problem.

Also Opera is known for its speed and memory usage. If they switch to Webkit, won't they inherit all the memory problems that Chromium has? Will their extensions be bloated as well?
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Re: Is Opera 12 standard portable or not ?

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freakazoid wrote: Won't Opera still have the problem of marketing themselves? This change doesn't solve that problem.
Indeed, but switching to WebKit means that Opera Software doesn't need to use as much resources for maintaining site compatibility. At the very least, the change will save money.

I personally think that WebKit is the best layout engine available. :) For example, the top two browsers in html5test.com are WebKit based.
freakazoid wrote: Also Opera is known for its speed and memory usage. If they switch to Webkit, won't they inherit all the memory problems that Chromium has? Will their extensions be bloated as well?
Chromium uses the "process per tab" model. Assuming that Opera will stay single-process (two processes if the plugin wrapper is taken into account), it won't have Chromium's "memory problems". (BTW, I'd like if Opera switched to process per tab – I have eight gigabytes of memory.)

Finally, there is a little known internal page called opera:memdebug. Unfortunately, it doesn't tell you how much memory each tab or extension uses.
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Re: Is Opera 12 standard portable or not ?

#169 Post by the_watcher »

this seems interesting :
http://bluenotetechblog.com/think-one-f ... ink-again/
Opera software is abandoning its homegrown rendering engine in favor of the open source WebKit rendering engine. Many developers seem to think this means one fewer browser to test in, but unfortunately, that’s not the case.

The problem with the dream of less testing because there’s more WebKit is that “WebKit” can mean many things. The WebKit in Safari does not have all the features you’ll find in the WebKit that powers Google Chrome. The situation gets even more complicated with mobile where there are about as many different versions of WebKit as there are browsers.

As Mozilla’s Rob Hawkes and Robert Nyman point out in the post WebKit: An Objective View, that means “each browser will still have its own quirks, performance differences, design, and functionality. These should all be tested for.”

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SYSTEM wrote:Indeed, but switching to WebKit means that Opera Software doesn't need to use as much resources for maintaining site compatibility. At the very least, the change will save money.
The change will save money over the long-term. Spending development time to create a UI around Webkit will not save money over the short-term though.
SYSTEM wrote:Chromium uses the "process per tab" model. Assuming that Opera will stay single-process (two processes if the plugin wrapper is taken into account), it won't have Chromium's "memory problems". (BTW, I'd like if Opera switched to process per tab – I have eight gigabytes of memory.)
I think Safari uses the single-process model; I'm still worried about extensions and memory usage though.

Perhaps New Opera will be more like Qtweb, Midori and Qupzilla and less like Maxthon's implementation.
the_watcher wrote:this seems interesting :
http://bluenotetechblog.com/think-one-f ... ink-again/
Opera software is abandoning its homegrown rendering engine in favor of the open source WebKit rendering engine. Many developers seem to think this means one fewer browser to test in, but unfortunately, that’s not the case.

The problem with the dream of less testing because there’s more WebKit is that “WebKit” can mean many things. The WebKit in Safari does not have all the features you’ll find in the WebKit that powers Google Chrome. The situation gets even more complicated with mobile where there are about as many different versions of WebKit as there are browsers.

As Mozilla’s Rob Hawkes and Robert Nyman point out in the post WebKit: An Objective View, that means “each browser will still have its own quirks, performance differences, design, and functionality. These should all be tested for.”
Thanks for the links. Good reads!
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Re: Is Opera 12 standard portable or not ?

#171 Post by Midas »

This might interest users of Opera...
History of JavaScript Performance: Opera
http://whyeye.org/blog/browsers/history ... nce-opera/

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Re: Is Opera 12 standard portable or not ?

#172 Post by guinness »

Interesting article. Thanks.

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#173 Post by freakazoid »

Saw an article on ArsTechnica showing a preview release of the new Opera browser using Webkit on Android:
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/02/ ... kit-world/
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Re: Is Opera 12 standard portable or not ?

#174 Post by webfork »

the_watcher wrote:this seems interesting :
http://bluenotetechblog.com/think-one-f ... ink-again/
freakazoid wrote:Saw an article on ArsTechnica showing a preview release of the new Opera browser using Webkit on Android:
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/02/ ... kit-world/
Both interesting, thanks.


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Re: Is Opera 12 standard portable or not ?

#176 Post by tproli »

Not exactly the changelog everyone is waiting for... :)

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Re: Is Opera 12 standard portable or not ?

#177 Post by guinness »

Still, fingers crossed heh! :mrgreen:

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#178 Post by freakazoid »

If Webkit Opera Desktop is anything like their Android beta, then I think we're in trouble.

There would be little difference between Chromium UI and Opera's. In fact, one of their most popular features, Opera Turbo, is already bundled with Yandex's Chromium browser.

Like guinness said, fingers crossed that the Opera gang can deliver.
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#179 Post by SYSTEM »

Rendering engine news.

Google has announced a new rendering engine called Blink: http://blog.chromium.org/2013/04/blink- ... omium.html

Opera will switch to Blink as well: http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2013/hello-blink/

In the same day, Mozilla's experimental rendering engine called Servo took a step forward: https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2013/04/0 ... er-engine/. (Oddly, the link randomly doesn't work for me.)
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Re: Is Opera 12 standard portable or not ?

#180 Post by guinness »

I read about this yesterday. My question is when will the next generation of Opera surface?

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