Pale Moon speed compared to Firefox (result: FF is faster)

[JohnTHaller]

Could you list the system specs of the machine(s) you ran the test on?

For completeness if we're comparing to other things later:

CPU: Intel Core2 Quad 6600 @ 2.4GHz
Memory: 8GB PC2-6400
Graphics: AMD Radeon HD 6770 2GB @ 400MHz
OS: Windows 7 x64

[webfork]

For completeness if we're comparing to other things later

Thanks

PeaceKeeper (Higher is better)
Firefox: 4139
Palemoon: 3176
pcx sse3: 4483

It's only an 8% speed increase but that's still interesting.

[freakazoid]

The following benchmarks by the dev of pcxFirefox might be interesting to some as well:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... =drive_web

It might be a little outdated, but thought it might be useful.

[the_watcher]

Firefox/Pale Moon feature table
http://j.mp/pmcomptable

[webfork]

Firefox/Pale Moon feature table
http://j.mp/pmcomptable

All Tabs panel with thumbnails/search

Nah, standard Firefox has it.

Pretty sure all the "no"s under Australis are because a beta is going to have limited functionality while they test core changes.

[freakazoid]

All Tabs panel with thumbnails/search

Nah, standard Firefox has it.

This is incorrect.

Firefox removed the all tabs panel with thumbnails and search, however Pale Moon retained this functionality.

There is a Firefox addon that attempts to emulate this older feature - All Tabs Restorer. I currently use this and it is less-robust than the older, native one.

[webfork]

Well, it's still there, you just have to go through the customize menu:

2014-05-03 18_58_53-Firefox - Group Your Tabs.png (8.01 KiB) Viewed 15850 times

I know that seems like splitting hairs but by contrast, you can't bring up the old download menu. That feature is definitely gone.

[freakazoid]

That's not really the same.

1. You have to go to Firefox's Tab Groups page in order to access that feature. This is bad for UI as it takes you away from your current page.
2. That functionality searches all tabs across all tab groups and not the active tab group. This could be seen as a positive.

Here's the old Firefox All Tabs functionality in Pale Moon:

[carbonize]

People actually use tab groups?

[Userfriendly]

I doubt most people even know tab groups feature exist. Most people don't even know the Live Bookmarks feature thing or how RSS feeds work in general. Anyway this whole tab thing is just reminding me of the whole Start Screen vs Start Menu debacle. Made me roll my eyes honestly. At least there are addons that restore some old functionality for those that want it.

I'll list a few addons to give the old stuff back.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefo ... ds-window/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefo ... erestorer/

If you wanna enhance the current download panel.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefo ... l-tweaker/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefo ... el-tweaks/

Download status bars are better though. Not an opinion, it's fact.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefo ... tatus-bar/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefo ... statusbar/

Also Tabs Mix Plus gives better tab functionality. Maybe you wanna give that a try. Dunno why you wanna even bother with vanilla Firefox. It's so barebones without addons you might as well use Chrome.

[freakazoid]

I already listed All Tabs Restorer a few replies up. It's almost the same as the older, native functionality, but you cannot rearrange the tabs by drag-and-drop. This was one of the neatest things about that.

Another user posted the same thing on the review page for All Tabs Restorer:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefo ... ws/509085/

[Marc]

Thanks for the list!
I wish though "Downloads Window" had a reduced row height, so for the time being I'll start using
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefo ... el-tweaks/ wich I was unaware of, good find =)
Maybe it could be edited via the chrome styles?
Also there was https://addons.mozilla.org/es/firefox/a ... s/?src=api
which is no longer updated and probably the cause of why I use a lot less bookmarks now (in the bookmarks window).

[JohnTHaller]

I think perhaps the Pale Moon description in the database should be altered. It still reads:

"Pale Moon Portable is a speed-optimized version of Firefox exclusively for modern chipsets, boasting an average 25% speed increase on many operations."

This hasn't been true since Firefox 3.6 or 4.0 and has been removed from the Pale Moon site.

[webfork]

I think perhaps the Pale Moon description in the database should be altered.

Yep, I'll get it fixed in a few days. I've put together an edit but it's on another machine that's offline ATM.

Edit: posted

[webfork]

I tried to rewrite the entry to encompass this move away from the speed focus, but the whole thing just sounds pointless now. Visitors to this entry are all asking "why should I care" and if you can't very clearly declare why your browser is better in a very crowded area, you're wasting your time. Their home page doesn't help and while their info page is a little better pointing to power usage and stability, they renew their speed claim after having backed off it from the first page.

... instead focuses heavily on overall browser smoothness, CPU usage, efficient networking and program-wide optimizations not related to a certain (limited) subset of functions.

More annoying is the amount of detail they go into in the Pale Moon forums to say that browser benchmarks are complicated and inconclusive. If the boat load of various tests aren't reliable, it's on you to explain what would be. If we can come to conclusions about a black hole 1,600 light years from here, I think we can figure out a way to test software.