Pegasus Mail - email client

[webfork]

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Theirs:
http://www.pmail.com/index.htm

Ours 4.41
http://www.portablefreeware.com/index.php?id=422


This is a pretty dramatic version change so it probably needs to be re-tested for portability before an update is posted.

[freakazoid]

v4.63 is out. Haven't tested the current version for portability.

[Midas]

For lack of better option, the present has been made the official forum topic for Pegasus Mail (https://www.portablefreeware.com/?id=422).

Pegasus Mail v4.71 is released (changelog is at http://www.pmail.com/v47x.htm).

Pegasus Mail is a free, standards-based electronic mail client suitable for use by single or multiple users on single computers or on local area networks. A proven product, it has served millions of users since it was released in 1990. It is extremely feature-rich and powerful, yet remains small and fast.

@webfork: please amend OP subject and/or move topic as needed. Thanks in advance.

[Midas]

Pegasus Mail v4.72 released (changelog: http://www.pmail.com/v47x.htm).

[SYSTEM]

Pegasus Mail v4.72 released (changelog: http://www.pmail.com/v47x.htm).

Thanks. Entry updated.

[Midas]

Old topic update: Pegasus Mail v4.80 released 2022-02-04 (announcement at http://www.pmail.com/v48x.htm).

Downloads are at http://www.pmail.com/downloads_s3_t.htm.

BTW, OAUTH2 support (GMail) is planned for v4.81.

[Charliehorse]

Please note there is a significant issue with Pegasus Mail v4.80. Any user dictionary additions will be deleted and unrecoverable if the program is updated to v4.80. David Harris has advised the community forum that there will be a fix coming soon with v4.81

https://community.pmail.com/index.php?u ... s-in-v4-80

https://community.pmail.com/index.php?u ... dded-words

Better to wait if you plan to upgrade from an earlier version unless you first copy and save or read-protect the USRDICT5.PMD file beforehand.

[Midas]

Thanks for the warning, Charliehorse.

[Charliehorse]

Pegasus Mail Update: OAUTH2 support for GMail turns out to be impossible.

Unfortunately for anyone (myself included) who has enjoyed using Pegasus Mail for years for my various GMail accounts, it now appears the program will no longer be able to access GMail effective the end of May 2022.

A real shame when so much money is flying around for various enterprises and causes, some real and some suspect, that no one seems to be willing to step forward to provide the minimal ongoing financial support needed to pay Google the yearly fee it requires to implement OAUTH2 for this long standing and much appreciated freeware endeavor by David.

David Harris posted this announcement on the Pegasus Community website 3 days ago:

https://community.pmail.com/index.php?u ... impossible

[webfork]

Thanks for pointing this out but I went a different direction with what I read.

... no one seems to be willing to step forward to provide the minimal ongoing financial support needed to pay Google the yearly fee it requires to implement OAUTH2 for this long standing and much appreciated freeware endeavor by David

From the site:

"... In order to maintain access to restricted scopes, the app will need to undergo this security assessment on an annual basis, this process is called the security reassessment, also known as annual recertification. The cost of the assessment typically varies between $10,000 -$75,000 (or more) depending on the size and complexity of the application; smaller applications may see costs at a lower threshold of $4,500. This fee may be required whether or not your app passes the assessment and will be payable by the developer. We expect that fees will include a remediation assessment if needed." (emphasis added)

I acknowledge that security analysis like that is not cheap and the experts behind it are used to getting paid. Should it come out of Google's pocket to make those kinds of assessments? Of course not. Would it be possible to leave it to the user to make those kind of mature considerations for themselves? Absolutely. In fact, they already have an "allow less secure email connections" option built right into GMail's settings. I guess that wasn't good enough?

With that in mind, I see this as at best a freeware tax and at worst shaking down small devs for operational costs. They're not even willing to give the price up front -- god forbid there's some sort of "remediation" step that drags on with senior engineers and costs $50k. And what if they jack up the price next year? For this reason, I wouldn't even if I had that kind of money and was closely aligned with the project, I wouldn't pay.

I am sorry that a project you love is struggling and I do sympathize with Mr. Harris. That sucks.

[freakazoid]

@Charliehorse, you can still use GMail in Pegasus.

I ran into a similar problem with GMail and the K-9 Mail app with Android. K-9 doesn't support OAuth either at the moment. However, to continue using Gmail with third-party apps that do not support OAuth, you will need to enable 2-step Verification (aka Two-Factor Authentication) for your Google account. Then you can create a dedicated app password specifically for usage with Pegasus and you should be good to go.

More info here - https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/185833?hl=en

[webfork]

Then you can create a dedicated app password specifically for usage with Pegasus and you should be good to go.

Very cool -- curious to hear if it works.

[Charliehorse]

freakazoid wrote: Then you can create a dedicated app password specifically for usage with Pegasus and you should be good to go.

Thank you for the suggestion and the link freakazoid. I will definitely check it out.

I was under the impression that there was a difference between using the previous OAuth authorization and the newer OAuth 2.0 protocol required for accessing GMail via an email program as of the end of May, but perhaps I am mistaken. Fingers crossed setting up a dedicated app password for Pegasus Mail will work.

[freakazoid]

It should work. Like I mentioned above, I'm already using an app password for the K-9 Mail Android app, so it should also work for Pegasus.

Google doesn't really want you to use an app password though. At the top of the page I linked to they mention this:

Tip: App Passwords aren’t recommended and are unnecessary in most cases. To help keep your account secure, use "Sign in with Google" to connect apps to your Google Account.

An App Password is a 16-digit passcode that gives a less secure app or device permission to access your Google Account. App Passwords can only be used with accounts that have 2-Step Verification turned on.

[Andrew Lee]

I ran into a similar problem with GMail and the K-9 Mail app with Android. K-9 doesn't support OAuth either at the moment. However, to continue using Gmail with third-party apps that do not support OAuth, you will need to enable 2-step Verification (aka Two-Factor Authentication) for your Google account. Then you can create a dedicated app password specifically for usage with Pegasus and you should be good to go.

More info here - https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/185833?hl=en

Thanks for the tip. I am encountering the same problem wrt getting Gmail OAuth to work with Thunderbird, and I will definitely give this a try.