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Re: Firefox - web browser

#181 Post by freakazoid » Mon Jun 06, 2022 11:25 am

JohnTHaller wrote:
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Updated. I should split those out to a separate project from the app configs so they're easier to locate.
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Re: Firefox - web browser

#182 Post by Midas » Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:50 am

There's news from the Firefox dev team regarding support of arcane yet essential tech standards:
The rupture centers on a feature called Web Request, commonly used in ad blockers and crucial for any system that looks to block off a domain wholesale. Google has long had security concerns about Web Request and has worked to cut it out of the most recent extension standard, called Manifest V3, or MV3 for short. But, in a recent blog post, Mozilla made clear that Firefox will maintain support for Web Request, keeping the door open for the most sophisticated forms of ad blocking.

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Re: Firefox - web browser

#183 Post by SYSTEM » Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:22 am

Midas wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:50 am
The rupture centers on a feature called Web Request, commonly used in ad blockers and crucial for any system that looks to block off a domain wholesale. Google has long had security concerns about Web Request and has worked to cut it out of the most recent extension standard, called Manifest V3, or MV3 for short. But, in a recent blog post, Mozilla made clear that Firefox will maintain support for Web Request, keeping the door open for the most sophisticated forms of ad blocking.
I wonder what it means for Vivaldi. They've stated years ago they'll look into their options once Manifest V3 ships. Oh well - whatever happens, in the worst case I can switch to its built-in ad blocker.
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Re: Firefox - web browser

#184 Post by SYSTEM » Wed Jun 15, 2022 1:48 am

Mozilla has rolled out Total Cookie Protection, which creates a site-specific cookie jar to limit tracking across websites: https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/fi ... worldwide/
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Re: Firefox - web browser

#185 Post by Midas » Wed Jun 15, 2022 6:26 am

SYSTEM wrote: I wonder what it means for Vivaldi...
I believe that, although they may be able to wriggle and delay, in the end they'll have little option but to follow suit given big G's juggernaut status... :|
SYSTEM wrote: Mozilla has rolled out Total Cookie Protection, which creates a site-specific cookie jar to limit tracking across websites...
Yep, saw that, too, and it even caused me to finally update my Android's Firefox Focus.

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#186 Post by webfork » Wed Jun 15, 2022 8:00 pm

SYSTEM wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:22 am
... in the worst case I can switch to its built-in ad blocker.
It sounds like they're going to do their best to throw a wrench into existing ad-blocking tools across the Chromium toolset.
Google announced plans to modify the Chromium extension system last October when the browser maker said it would develop a new set of standards -- collectively known as Manifest V3 ... Google was planning to replace one of the main technology through which extensions interacted with website requests, in favor of one that was far inferior. ... Users protested against Google's decision, and the company came under heavy criticism.

Google backtracked on the change [but] ... made a new announcement in which it said that the old technology that ad blockers were relying on would only be available for Chrome enterprise users, but not for regular users.

This time, Chrome developers seem intent on plowing through with their decisin ... but Google's planned Manifest V3 changes are being added to the Chromium base, meaning they'll also likely impact other Chromium-based browsers as well.
Source: https://www.zdnet.com/article/opera-bra ... -codebase/
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I believe that, although they may be able to wriggle and delay, in the end they'll have little option but to follow suit given big G's juggernaut status... :|
I don't disagree, but my hope is that Firefox keeps working as a check against Google's bad tech decisions.

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Re: Firefox - web browser

#187 Post by Midas » Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:06 am

Some in-depth analysis of browser competition from the Apple camp, which incidentally provides interesting figures regarding Firefox market share and development costs.
Mozilla's $450 million in annual revenue comes from approximately 8% of the desktop market and negligible mobile share. Browsers are big, big business.
Safari, in particular, is wildly profitable. The New York Times reported in late 2020 that Google now pays Apple between $8-12 billion per year, up from $1 billion in 2014. Other estimates put the current payments in the $15 billion range.

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Re: Firefox - web browser

#188 Post by SYSTEM » Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:35 am

Safari, in particular, is wildly profitable. The New York Times reported in late 2020 that Google now pays Apple between $8-12 billion per year, up from $1 billion in 2014. Other estimates put the current payments in the $15 billion range.
That's outright shocking. :shock: Apple is making billions from this deal, and I have the impression they force browsers to use WebKit on iOS only in order to keep control for themselves - all that money is just a bonus.
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Re: Firefox - web browser

#189 Post by Andrew Lee » Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:19 pm

Wow, this is truly an eye-opening article. Thanks for sharing.

Even though I am somewhat aware of Apple's passive-aggressive tactics wrt iOS WebKit, this article lays bare the extent to which they are leveraging their platform advantage for profit. I can't say I am surprised, and it is still a shocking read.

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Re: Firefox - web browser

#190 Post by Midas » Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:58 am

SYSTEM wrote: I have the impression they force browsers to use WebKit on iOS only in order to keep control for themselves...
Andrew Lee wrote: It is still a shocking read.

My appraisal and reaction, precisely -- normally, I don't pay much attention to Apple coverage, in consequence of how inflated and out there most of it is, but this piece was definitely an eye-opener. :roll:

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Re: Firefox ESR Portable

#191 Post by Midas » Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:41 am

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I was bummed about was the removal of support for OS 10.8 "Mountain Lion" as it's only 4 years old, but Firefox ESR still covers it.

Lately, I found myself using Firefox ESR more and more, just because of how significantly less annoying it is compared to the main version -- but when I looked here, I found hardly any mentions; so here's a couple of links to remediate that...


Incidentally, Firefox ESR latest version is v102.1.0 (release notes are at https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/notes/).

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Re: Firefox ESR Portable

#192 Post by freakazoid » Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:41 am

Midas wrote:
Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:41 am
Incidentally, Firefox ESR latest version is v102.1.0 (release notes are at https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/notes/).
There's not going to be that many changes from v102.1.0 and the current v103, so you might as well use the current version unless you value the stability of the ESR branch for one year.
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Re: Firefox ESR Portable

#193 Post by webfork » Fri Aug 05, 2022 1:14 pm

Midas wrote:
Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:41 am
Lately, I found myself using Firefox ESR more and more, just because of how significantly less annoying it is compared to the main version
How is it better? What are the annoyance issues you're running into?

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Re: Firefox - web browser

#194 Post by freakazoid » Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:33 pm

ESR basically fixes the Firefox version for one year. You get security updates for that version and that's it.

By annoyances, I'm guessing the new features or changes that are included in the regular releases.
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Re: Firefox ESR Portable

#195 Post by Midas » Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:01 am

freakazoid wrote:
Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:41 am
There's not going to be that many changes from v102.1.0 and the current v103, so you might as well use the current version unless you value the stability of the ESR branch for one year.
I do, indeed. I'm still on v91.12.0 here -- and have an older v8x.x elsewhere...

webfork wrote: How is it better? What are the annoyance issues you're running into?
Well, apart from the ungodly memory footprint which has grown to be a standard feature -- I recently had to power cycle one of my laptops (the older one) because it was turning unresponsive and when I checked Process Explorer, Firefox was using an unbelievable 5GB+ -- the rapid changing of UI features and functionalities means that more often than not after one of its many updates, something I've come to rely on is either gone, diminished, changed or just moved somewhere that makes me trawl the web just to find it back. It's a browser, not a productivity suite or any thing like that: it should stay out of the way as much as possible. Or it might just be that I'm getting too old to learn that many new tricks...

Quick example (that ESR doesn't solve): current versions don't allow me to manually change print settings from inches to metric or print date alone (not date/time) in headers/footers...

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