Vivaldi - Opera Browser Alternative

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Re: Vivaldi - Opera Browser Alternative

#106 Post by zorro » Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:46 am

Well, the critics are certainly right! My way ist not meant for folks who don't know their system exactly.
If you have other Google products installed (Picasa?), the settings of this products might get lost... For me Google is strictly internet-related and every software that writes Google-keys to the registry is immediately removed or made stealth like above.

Regarding the portability: Interesting enough, for me it worked. I "installed" Vivaldi on my Laptop, made all changes, used it for a week and then copied the whole folder over to my wife's desktop computer (never touched by Vivaldi or Google products). Started Vivaldi and all was in the right place - settings & extensions.

I'll test it on another machine. But if Vivaldi has the same hardware binding as Chrome it should not work... Perhaps there's a way to isolate the installation - should be ok since it's not payware.

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Re: Vivaldi - Opera Browser Alternative

#107 Post by bitcoin » Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:39 pm

the last time i tried Vivaldi each tab spawned a new process

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Re: Vivaldi - Opera Browser Alternative

#108 Post by zorro » Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:10 am

A general question regarding the portability of chrome-based browsers:
The Vivialdi database-entry states that by moving the installation to another PC some settings are reset, including the list of installed extensions - due to chrome generating a hardware binding.
That's right (for Vivaldi) - I tested my "stealth"-launcher once again and indeed by moving Vivaldi, extension data and some settings are reset.

But: why is this not mentioned for other chrome-based browsers like Opera, Chromium, SlimJet etc.
Do they behave different? If yes, how did the developers overcome the issue?
What about Google Chrome Portable from John (PortableApps)?

Vivaldi is the only alternative to Firefox that I found to be usable (for me) and since I did not manage to overcome the hardware-binding, it would be helpful to know, if really all chrome-browsers behave like this.

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Re: Vivaldi - Opera Browser Alternative

#109 Post by SYSTEM » Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:36 am

zorro wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:10 am
A general question regarding the portability of chrome-based browsers:
The Vivialdi database-entry states that by moving the installation to another PC some settings are reset, including the list of installed extensions - due to chrome generating a hardware binding.
That's right (for Vivaldi) - I tested my "stealth"-launcher once again and indeed by moving Vivaldi, extension data and some settings are reset.

But: why is this not mentioned for other chrome-based browsers like Opera, Chromium, SlimJet etc.
Do they behave different? If yes, how did the developers overcome the issue?
What about Google Chrome Portable from John (PortableApps)?
AFAIK, all Chrome-based browsers have this problem.

I added the note to Vivaldi's entry because I use Vivaldi as my primary browser and observed the behavior myself.
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Re: Vivaldi - Opera Browser Alternative

#110 Post by zorro » Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:59 am

Ok, thanks!
But: what about Google Chrome Portable by John T. Haller? Well, I should test it myself or ask John directly...

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Re: Vivaldi - Opera Browser Alternative

#111 Post by JohnTHaller » Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:31 pm

This is a purposeful limitation of Chrome itself and all browsers based on the same code base. It's about as portable-hostile as you can get. The Google Chrome Portable and Iron Portable launchers at PortableApps.com both have code to handle portablization of passwords. They had code to handle portablization of extensions/extensions data, but that was rendered obsolete when those settings were locked to individual PCs as well a few years back. Some other settings of the browser itself will also reset as you move (default search engine and homepage last I checked). You'll also lose any personal certificates you install because Chrome just uses it at the Windows level rather than having its own store. These issues are detailed on the Google Chrome Portable homepage and within the EULA agreement as you install.

The official recommendation for Google Chrome Portable is to remain logged into Google within the browser. That way your extensions/settings will be restored on each PC. Any Chrome-based browser that doesn't support logging into Google or have its own cloud sync option will just lose everything when you move PCs.

All of the above is why I refer to Firefox Portable as the best portable web browser. It doesn't suffer from any of these Chrome-style limitations and Mozilla has been a willing partner for having it packaged portably for over a decade.

It's worth noting that I've approached Vivaldi a couple times about doing a more portable version of their browser ("stealth" as its called here and adding password portability though it would still lose your extensions/some settings as you move PCs) but they are uninsterested. I think, like many companies, they view 'portable' more as 'not having to run an installer' rather than being able to move your stuff around.
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Re: Vivaldi - Opera Browser Alternative

#112 Post by SYSTEM » Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:36 am

JohnTHaller wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:31 pm
Some other settings of the browser itself will also reset as you move (default search engine and homepage last I checked).
Vivaldi doesn't lose them in my experience. Maybe because Vivaldi implements its own UI (including the search box) and therefore stores those preferences independently of Chrome's.
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Re: Vivaldi - Opera Browser Alternative

#113 Post by zorro » Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:30 pm

Thanks for the explanation, John!
Yes, Vivaldi seems special - I moved my "stealthed" version to some other machines and the only thing that gets lost is the extension-information. But only, what extensions are/were installed - the extension are there in the user data/default/extensions and if you install them again, you're done, because the settings are kept!

Nevertheless: Firefox is clearly - in my opinion - the best browser, not only in terms of portability... and even more after the controversial "Quantum"-update.
But Vivaldi makes a good and friendly companion...

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Re: Vivaldi - Opera Browser Alternative

#114 Post by JohnTHaller » Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:14 pm

Vivaldi doesn't lose passwords as you move machines now? It did the last time I checked.
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Re: Vivaldi - Opera Browser Alternative

#115 Post by zorro » Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:10 am

Hit! Just tested -> passwords are gone...
Didn't notice that, because I use KeePass and don' remember which passwords I saved in which browser.

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Re: Vivaldi - Opera Browser Alternative

#116 Post by 3K3 » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:28 am

I did a quick test of Vivaldi 1.14.1077.50.
Search provider is still preserved but extensions and passwords are lost when you switch PCs.
zorro wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:10 am
...I did not manage to overcome the hardware-binding...
I’m using Vivaldi with a launcher that automatically switches profile folders. Extensions are shared between profiles and only settings are saved to current profile folder.

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