Is it time to stop highlighting 32-bit over 64-bit and possibly stop the distinction at all?

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Is it time to stop highlighting 32-bit over 64-bit and possibly stop the distinction at all?

#1 Post by lwc »

I think the 32-bit/64-bit distinction, especially as 32-bit always comes first (see this), is probably a leftover from the era of Windows XP.
It seems to me all Windows afterwards are mostly 64-bit, with 32-bit variants harder to find. Windows 11 even removed 32-bit support altogether, so the 32-bit era is over anyway for Windows OS.

Since it's hard enough to get volunteers to update the database, is it time to just have 1 download field (and if linking directly to an EXE, and there 2 EXE files, then choose the 64-bit one)?
If not, then at the very least change the order and always highlight 64-bit download first (including when users manually write in the instructions "download 32-bit or 64-bit" when it should be the other way around).

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Re: Is it time to stop highlighting 32-bit over 64-bit and possibly stop the distinction at all?

#2 Post by Midas »

While I think your suggestion has merit and I agree overall -- back then I was even on the forefront of promoting 64-bit software adoption here -- I totally disagree with sun-setting any 32-bit entries...

I mean first and foremost 64-bit versions should be the default by now but the existence of any 32-bit version should also be noted and highlighted. The updating overhead should be minimal as most entries point to the same URL anyways. :|

In my experience, TPFC is one of the scarce resources catering to legacy enthusiasts (i.e., people running 32-bit architectures) and that is by itself quite a distinctive feature of our site nowadays.

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Re: Is it time to stop highlighting 32-bit over 64-bit and possibly stop the distinction at all?

#3 Post by Erdeslawe »

"Windows 11 even removed 32-bit support altogether, so the 32-bit era is over anyway for Windows OS."

That's a bit miss-leading! Whilst Windows 11 is the first Windows release to be only available as a 64-bit OS it still provides full support for installing and running 32-bit software. In fact many 'core' Microsoft apps and utilities which are built in to the Windows 11 OS are still 32-bit.

AFAIK, macOS is, so far, the only 'commonly used' OS to have entirely removed support for 32-bit software, but Apple is also now heading rapidly towards the elimination of support for running any x86 software. Linux distributions, like Microsoft, are increasingly providing only 64-bit OS installers, but it still remains possible to activate the support architecture for running 32-bit applications.

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Re: Is it time to stop highlighting 32-bit over 64-bit and possibly stop the distinction at all?

#4 Post by lwc »

Erdeslawe wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 9:10 am "Windows 11 even removed 32-bit support altogether, so the 32-bit era is over anyway for Windows OS."

That's a bit miss-leading! Whilst Windows 11 is the first Windows release to be only available as a 64-bit OS it still provides full support for installing and running 32-bit software. In fact many 'core' Microsoft apps and utilities which are built in to the Windows 11 OS are still 32-bit.
I've just meant it seems illogical to run a 32-bit program as a legacy feature on a 64-bit OS if you can run the 64-bit version of the program.
In other words, if a program has just 1 version, you'll use it without caring if it's 32 or 64 bit. If it has 2 versions, you're supposed to prefer the 64-bit version because why would you want to rely on Windows legacy features (which will be removed eventually like in MacOS).

In any case, I think we all agree to at least put 64-bit first in the listings (and in their edits).

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#5 Post by Andrew Lee »

lwc wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 3:31 pm In other words, if a program has just 1 version, you'll use it without caring if it's 32 or 64 bit. If it has 2 versions, you're supposed to prefer the 64-bit version because why would you want to rely on Windows legacy features (which will be removed eventually like in MacOS).
I agree that would be true for the majority of Windows users, except for a few with very specific requirements in mind.

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#6 Post by Erdeslawe »

Whilst I also agree that it would probably be reasonable to reverse the display of available downloads to make available 32-bit versions show as a secondary option for those that still need/want that option (if available), but it should be born in mind that pure 64-bit software versions may lack the ability to accept data/files produced using a 32-bit software application, e.g. where the 64-bit app is unable to access some necessary 32-bit operating system libraries.

Incidentally, the last Mac OS to be available as 32-bit was MacOS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard), released in August 2009 and the first to cease support entirely for 32-bit software was macOS 10.15 (Catalina), released in October 2019, so there was a 10 year lead-in to 64-bit only, for the relatively small range of hardware they support and the 'control' they exert over software development for the platform. I'm, personally, convinced that it is likely take far longer for Microsoft to implement a complete transition.

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Re: Is it time to stop highlighting 32-bit over 64-bit and possibly stop the distinction at all?

#7 Post by lwc »

Just wanted to show an example of the future of 32-bit with Slack quietly retiring its 32-bit version without even so much as a blink in any news sites.
Now granted it's a business app so geared at people who just want it to work, but still an indication of the future.

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#8 Post by Radonate »

Yeah, 64-bit has been the standard for a while now. Most people don’t even need 32-bit anymore, especially since Windows 11 dropped support for it.

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#9 Post by lintalist »

Win 11 64bit only, but that doesn't mean you won't be able to run 32-bit apps for a very long time without too many problems, and way way in the future there will no doubt be suitable emulation. I mean you can still run 16-bit apps quite easily on 64-bit systems with the proper tools.

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Re: Is it time to stop highlighting 32-bit over 64-bit and possibly stop the distinction at all?

#10 Post by Midas »

A propos, here's some light reading... :)

Computers have evolved from sporting 8-bit processors to 64-bit processors and, on the way, the amount of memory that these computers can leverage has grown orders of magnitude: the 8086, a 16-bit machine with a 20-bit address space, could only use 1MB of memory while today’s 64-bit machines can theoretically access 16EB. All of this growth has been in service of ever-growing programs. But... even if programs are now more sophisticated than they were before, do they all really require access to a 64-bit address space? Has the growth from 8 to 64 bits been a net positive in performance terms? Let’s try to answer those questions to find some very surprising answers...

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