Media Player Classic Home Cinema

Discuss anything related to portable freeware here.
Message
Author
User avatar
Userfriendly
Posts: 399
Joined: Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:41 pm

Re: Media Player Classic Home Cinema

#46 Post by Userfriendly » Fri Jun 05, 2015 8:02 pm

webfork wrote:I don't know what this is worth but the K-Lite Code Pack crew [http://www.codecguide.com/] includes MPC-HC and even lists their own comparison with other toolsets http://www.codecguide.com/about_kl.htm. Keeping in mind that K-Lite is non-portable, closed adware, they don't really care much about licenses (http://codecs.forumotion.net/t714-end-u ... ement#3460) so I figure they'd package whatever they felt like. Anyway, it's an endorsement.

I remain a VLC and SMPlayer user but it was interesting to see.
K-lite was created by some guy named CLSID who also was a dev for ffdshow. I browse the doom9 forums frequently and that's where most of the developers of lavfilters, madvr, xy-vsfilter, and mpc-hc/mpc-be gather and talk about stuff. I've seen lots of drama and stuff over there but I would think the license stuff they don't really care much about? Same deal with the Shark codec dudes.

Example drama thread of CLSID and shark007 shit talking each others codeck packs :D http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=165094

But really nowadays you don't need codec packs when MPC-HC has Lavfilters and vsfilter built-in. It can decode most things already by itself. Maybe you can download MadVR separately if you want a better renderer. Maybe ffdshow and avisynth for extra post processing. SVP for frame interpolation. Icaros for thumbnails. Foobar2000 for audio playback. There's Kodi and Plex for XBMC stuff. Done.

I'm not against codec packs. I think for me at least they helped me get started on know what the different options I have for playing back media are. I just think it's unnecessary if you know what you need already.

Funny I see some dev names on doom9 forums that I've seen on videogame emulators, WoW addons, anime forums, and other different kinds of software unrelated to media players. They could possibly be not the same people but it's just amazing to think there's super coders out there who create all kinds of great software for free.

User avatar
SYSTEM
Posts: 1758
Joined: Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:19 am
Location: Helsinki, Finland

Re: Media Player Classic Home Cinema

#47 Post by SYSTEM » Sat Jun 06, 2015 7:38 am

Userfriendly wrote:
webfork wrote:I don't know what this is worth but the K-Lite Code Pack crew [http://www.codecguide.com/] includes MPC-HC and even lists their own comparison with other toolsets http://www.codecguide.com/about_kl.htm. Keeping in mind that K-Lite is non-portable, closed adware, they don't really care much about licenses (http://codecs.forumotion.net/t714-end-u ... ement#3460) so I figure they'd package whatever they felt like. Anyway, it's an endorsement.

I remain a VLC and SMPlayer user but it was interesting to see.
K-lite was created by some guy named CLSID who also was a dev for ffdshow. I browse the doom9 forums frequently and that's where most of the developers of lavfilters, madvr, xy-vsfilter, and mpc-hc/mpc-be gather and talk about stuff. I've seen lots of drama and stuff over there but I would think the license stuff they don't really care much about? Same deal with the Shark codec dudes.

Example drama thread of CLSID and shark007 shit talking each others codeck packs :D http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=165094

But really nowadays you don't need codec packs when MPC-HC has Lavfilters and vsfilter built-in. It can decode most things already by itself. Maybe you can download MadVR separately if you want a better renderer. Maybe ffdshow and avisynth for extra post processing. SVP for frame interpolation. Icaros for thumbnails. Foobar2000 for audio playback. There's Kodi and Plex for XBMC stuff. Done.

I'm not against codec packs. I think for me at least they helped me get started on know what the different options I have for playing back media are. I just think it's unnecessary if you know what you need already.

Funny I see some dev names on doom9 forums that I've seen on videogame emulators, WoW addons, anime forums, and other different kinds of software unrelated to media players. They could possibly be not the same people but it's just amazing to think there's super coders out there who create all kinds of great software for free.
I use Combined Community Codec Pack myself. They have shipped MPC-HC since CCCP17 "Hero of the Workforce" (September 21, 2008) and it has been the only bundled player since CCCP9+9 "NEIN NEIN NEIN" (September 9, 2009). They explicitly endorse MPC-HC as well. (Their media player list used to be much longer and include many bad players too, but they moved the old list because it hasn't been maintained for a long time.)

K-Lite, unlike CCCP, has had a history of containing way too much codecs, resulting in a risk of conflicts. It looks like it's better now, at least the standard variant.
My YouTube channel | Release date of my 11th playlist: January 26, 2018

User avatar
webfork
Posts: 7693
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2007 8:06 pm
Location: US, Texas
Contact:

Re: Media Player Classic Home Cinema

#48 Post by webfork » Sat Jun 06, 2015 12:01 pm

Userfriendly wrote:I've seen lots of drama and stuff over there but I would think the license stuff they don't really care much about?
Was that a question? The license stuff they didn't care about was source distribution with GPL licensed items.
SYSTEM wrote:They explicitly endorse MPC-HC as well.
Interesting, thanks.
Supporting Net Neutrality - BattleForTheNet | Why this matters | More from EFF.org

billon
Posts: 552
Joined: Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:28 pm

Re: Media Player Classic Home Cinema

#49 Post by billon » Sun Jul 16, 2017 10:57 am

v1.7.13 is released and farewell
v1.7.13, the latest, and probably the last release of our project…

For quite a few months now, or even years, the number of active developers has been decreasing and has inevitably reached zero. This, unfortunately, means that the project is officially dead and this release would be the last one.
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

User avatar
Midas
Posts: 4117
Joined: Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:09 am
Location: Sol3

Re: Media Player Classic Home Cinema

#50 Post by Midas » Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:59 am

:cry: :cry: :cry: :!:

User avatar
Userfriendly
Posts: 399
Joined: Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:41 pm

Re: Media Player Classic Home Cinema

#51 Post by Userfriendly » Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:34 pm

MPC-BE fork still alive.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/mpcbe/

Commits Log (Use Google Translate)
https://sourceforge.net/p/mpcbe/code/commit_browser

MPC-BE Nightly builds download links.
https://yadi.sk/d/hlf1lfC8mKU58
https://mega.nz/#F!vsJlUCxT!jwIY5zVP_bpMGigVlQsYsQ
https://app.box.com/s/aqduny802n2l5ggkn41f
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... mpISWxZUWc


Zombie MPC-HC 1.7.13.1 Build 2017-07-17
https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php? ... ost1812598

Changelog:
* UPDATE: LAV Filters 0.70.2.3
* BUGFIX: OpenSubtitles seach failed for unicode filenames
* BUGFIX: Prevent crash for ASS subtitles with invalid (too high) blur values
* BUGFIX: Fixed DPI scaling of non-client areas in main window, if moving from screens with different DPI.
* ENHANCEMENT: Now uses external MediaInfo DLL. Allows manual updating.
* ENHANCEMENT: Now has the ability to use an externally installed copy of LAV Filters as its internal filters (if the LAVFilters subfolder is not present).
This means less duplication for those who use both. It also makes manually updating easier.
The main difference between using an internal LAV instance or an external instance, is that settings are stored in a different Registry key.
* ENHANCEMENT: Automatic encoding option for saving playlists. Uses UTF8 encoding when applicable.
* ENHANCEMENT: Split internal MPEG source filter option into a PS and TS variant.
* CHANGE: Removed DrDump crash reporter and replaced it with an error dialog that shows crash details.
* CHANGE: Option "Reinitialize when changing display" is now enabled by default.
* CHANGE: Removed an unnecessary Windows API hook. (Might fix an compatibility issue with F-Secure.)
* CHANGE: Sprinkled with fairy dust and pure awesomeness

Follow this thread if someone is interested in keeping MPC-HC alive.
"The future of MPC-HC " - https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1812615

User avatar
Midas
Posts: 4117
Joined: Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:09 am
Location: Sol3

Re: Media Player Classic Home Cinema

#52 Post by Midas » Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:10 am

Userfriendly wrote:MPC-BE fork still alive.

[...]

Follow this thread if someone is interested in keeping MPC-HC alive.

"The future of MPC-HC " -- https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1812615
  • Great. Thanks. 8)

User avatar
smaragdus
Posts: 1919
Joined: Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:24 am
Location: Aeaea

Re: MPC-HC

#53 Post by smaragdus » Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:44 pm

billon wrote:v1.7.13 is released and farewell
v1.7.13, the latest, and probably the last release of our project…

For quite a few months now, or even years, the number of active developers has been decreasing and has inevitably reached zero. This, unfortunately, means that the project is officially dead and this release would be the last one.
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
This is a tragic piece of news not because of the longevity of the project but also because this player has achieved a legendary status. MPC-HC is not my default video player but I like it very much (it has great features) and I do not want to see it abandoned. Sooner or later (more likely sooner than later) we well be left with dull stock apps that come preinstalled with the OS because old developers retire one by one and the new ones do not have the proficiency and the knowledge of the good languages (C, C++, Delphi, Python, Java). JavaScript/Node.js/Electron will be the end of software as we know it. Once I was complaining about C# and .NET but Electron is the real, absolute disaster, a plague. Great, indispensable projects drop off one by one because there is no one to continue the development. What a pity.

mpc-qt (Media Player Classic Qute Theater)
A clone of Media Player Classic reimplimented in Qt.
Links
GitHub - https://github.com/cmdrkotori/mpc-qt
Releases - https://github.com/cmdrkotori/mpc-qt/releases
License - https://github.com/cmdrkotori/mpc-qt/bl ... er/LICENSE
Reddit - https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments ... ng_qt_and/

Screen

Image

I have not tested mpc-qt yet and I am not using my own screen-shot.


User avatar
SYSTEM
Posts: 1758
Joined: Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:19 am
Location: Helsinki, Finland

Re: Media Player Classic Home Cinema

#55 Post by SYSTEM » Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:35 am

billon wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:15 am
MPC-HC v1.7.14 unofficial build available
Thanks. It's good to at least get some security fixes and codec improvements.
My YouTube channel | Release date of my 11th playlist: January 26, 2018

User avatar
Midas
Posts: 4117
Joined: Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:09 am
Location: Sol3

Re: Media Player Classic Home Cinema

#56 Post by Midas » Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:28 am

Sadly, Media Player Classic has been my default media player forever. :(

For further clarity, a detailed quote is in order here...
    
Author of https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1831201#post1831201 wrote:
Development state

MPC-HC does not really have any active developers right now. So don't expect any new functionality or other big changes. MPC-HC is open source, so anyone who is interested can contribute fixes and improvements. You can submit patches to me, and if it is good, I will gladly include it in a future build.

My intention is to keep the internal codecs (LAV Filters) up-to-date and maybe also work some other small (!) fixes and improvements. I will NOT be working on any new features. So please don't post any feature request in this topic. First some people need to volunteer to help with development.

[...]

Changelog [from] 1.7.13.112 [last official build, dated 2017-07-16] to 1.7.14:

+ Removed DrDump crash reporter
+ Added support for newly added settings of LAV Filters
+ Now uses external MediaInfo DLL
+ Different resource FileDescription for x64 build. This name is used in the Open With list of Windows Explorer. This helps distinguish x64 from x86 build in that list.
+ Render subtitles relative to the window by default. ASS/SSA are still rendered relative to video by default, because those sometimes need accurate positioning. This behavior can be adjusted in the options. This patch just changes the default value of that setting.
+ Added command line switches for accessing settings of internal LAV Filters: /configlavsplitter /configlavaudio /configlavvideo

* Updated LAV Filters to v0.70.2-88
* Updated MediaInfoLib to v17.12

! Fix /open and /close command line handling
! Simplify code for setting renderer merits
! Fix explorer context menu option state display
Author of https://www.codecguide.com/changelogs_mpchc_lavfilters.htm wrote:
It is easy to interpret the version of a development build. For example development version 1.7.10.290 equals stable version 1.7.10 plus 290 additional changes after that.


Incidentally, Media Player Classic Qute Theater (mpc-qt) last release was v17.11, dated 2017-11-01 (changelog and downloads at https://github.com/cmdrkotori/mpc-qt/releases).

Additionally, you have MPC-BE (https://sourceforge.net/projects/mpcbe/) last beta v1.5.2 build 3148, dated 2017-11-27...

User avatar
SYSTEM
Posts: 1758
Joined: Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:19 am
Location: Helsinki, Finland

Re: Media Player Classic Home Cinema

#57 Post by SYSTEM » Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:57 am

Midas wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:28 am
Sadly, Media Player Classic has been my default media player forever. :(

For further clarity, a detailed quote is in order here...
If you're quoting the changelog, it's best to also quote the changes that MPC-HC developers made since the last stable release:
clsid wrote: + Added fallback exception handler for when DrDump Crash Reporter is unavailable
+ Automatic encoding option for saving playlists. Uses UTF-8 encoding when applicable
+ Sanear: Added "Ignore system channel mixer" option
+ Split internal MPEG source filter option into a PS and TS variant
+ SSA/ASS subtitles: Add cache for alpha mask
+ Added command line parameter for setting the viewing preset: /viewpreset with values 1 (minimal) 2 (compact) 3 (normal)
+ Added command line parameter for launching with muted audio: /mute
+ Added command line parameter for launching with specific volume: /volume [value]

* Windows XP is no longer supported
* Now compiled with Vidual Studio 2017 and Windows 8.1 SDK

* Updated LAV Filters to v0.70.2-71
* Updated Little CMS to v2.9 (d8a36d0)
* Updated MediaInfoLib to v0.7.98
* Updated nanosvg to 9a74da4
* Updated rapidjson to v1.1.0
* Updated RARFileSource to 55b2513
* Updated Sanear to v0.3 (e1bebc9)
* Updated tinyxml2 to v5.0.1
* Updated Unrar to v5.5.7
* Updated ZenLib to v0.4.36

! Disabled hooking of NtQueryInformationProcess. This was not needed and caused compatibility issues with a few security software products.
! Fixed text subtitle rendering in Avisynth
! Prevent crash for ASS subtitles with invalid (too high) blur values
! VSFilter: Fixed DVB/PGS subtitle resizing on x64 build
! Ticket #2539: Subtitle downloader dialog could be opened on disabled monitor
! Ticket #5036: Text subtitles: Faster subtitle drawing
- Implemented more vectorized SSE2 version and add AVX2 drawing code.
- Vectorized all draw operations
- Multiple times faster with certain SSA/ASS subtitles
! Ticket #6223: Fixed DPI scaling of non-client areas in main window
! Ticket #6231: Fix hash calculation for files with Unicode paths. This fixes search on
OpenSubtitles for such files
----
Midas wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:28 am
Incidentally, Media Player Classic Qute Theater (mpc-qt) last release was v17.11, dated 2017-11-01 (changelog and downloads at https://github.com/cmdrkotori/mpc-qt/releases).
The latest commit to mpc-qt was on November. Looks like it's a dead project as well. :(
My YouTube channel | Release date of my 11th playlist: January 26, 2018

User avatar
Midas
Posts: 4117
Joined: Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:09 am
Location: Sol3

Re: Media Player Classic Home Cinema

#58 Post by Midas » Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:04 pm

I was only quoting the changelog to highlight the point where this new effort branched and its intended scope...

But you're right, it's not looking good even for the forks... let's hope development picks up in the near future. :(

User avatar
Userfriendly
Posts: 399
Joined: Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:41 pm

Re: Media Player Classic Home Cinema

#59 Post by Userfriendly » Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:39 pm

Actually mpc-be is updated almost everyday The last commit was just a couple hours ago. https://sourceforge.net/p/mpcbe/activity
The nightly builds are pretty much stable. There isn't really a point on waiting for release builds for this project. If you want the latest one, just get the nightly.

At the very least, you can still update the codecs for mpc-hc by replacing the LAVFilters binaries yourself.

User avatar
Midas
Posts: 4117
Joined: Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:09 am
Location: Sol3

Re: Media Player Classic Home Cinema

#60 Post by Midas » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:40 am

Good to know, for sure. Thanks. :)

Post Reply