It is currently Mon May 20, 2013 7:49 am

All times are UTC - 8 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 15 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: Waterfox - unofficial 64-bit version of Firefox
PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:13 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2007 8:06 pm
Posts: 3473
Location: US, Texas
[Moderator note: this thread was split from Pale Moon (another unofficial version of Firefox) so some posts reference both.]

---

Those interested in a CPU-optimized version of Firefox may also be interested in Waterfox, compiled for 64-bit CPUs. No portable version, but since the code is very similar, it seems one could easily be created.


Yes, the icon is far too similar to the official Firefox logo and probably not legal.

_________________
Supporting the Electronic Frontier Foundation | DuckDuckGo user | My GPG key | Projects donated to: VLC, CubicExplorer, Ditto, Greenshot, TrueCrypt


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Pale Moon
PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 3:00 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 10, 2010 4:44 pm
Posts: 405
Location: New York, NY
Anything using either "Fire" or "fox" in the name is infringing on Mozilla's registered trademark by naming it too similarly. And the icon for Waterfox is just a modified version of the Firefox icon, so definitely infringement.

_________________
PortableApps.com - The open standard for portable software


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Pale Moon
PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:18 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Mar 31, 2007 2:38 am
Posts: 902
Location: Kce,PL
Quote:
Anything using either "Fire" or "fox" in the name is infringing on Mozilla's registered trademark by naming it too similarly.

Really? Trademark law is not so specific. "Too similar" is entirely open to court's interpretation.
Though if I were a judge, I would probably find Waterfox infringing too.

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Pale Moon
PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:05 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2007 8:06 pm
Posts: 3473
Location: US, Texas
m^(2) wrote:
Quote:
Anything using either "Fire" or "fox" in the name is infringing on Mozilla's registered trademark by naming it too similarly.

Really? Trademark law is not so specific. "Too similar" is entirely open to court's interpretation.
Though if I were a judge, I would probably find Waterfox infringing too.

Right. The IANAL acronym is important here.

The (admittedly vague) breakdown from cases I've followed is that if there is a chance that it could create confusion, its violating the law. Changing the icon color and the first part of the word of the program seems a bad way to declare a difference. Despite this, it is up to the intellectual property holder to move on this, which they certainly could. If Pepsi and Coke can both copyright individual colors and Chick-Fil-A can own the phrase "eat more ___" then I think Mozilla has an asteroid-proof case here.

For reasons I've gone into before, Mozilla is not and probably will not be litigious in this regard. Ask Oracle what developing a reputation for taking things to court has done for their PR. Fortunately there's a built-in balancing factor here: Waterfox is also subject to a community and that's very likely where this will all get worked out.

_________________
Supporting the Electronic Frontier Foundation | DuckDuckGo user | My GPG key | Projects donated to: VLC, CubicExplorer, Ditto, Greenshot, TrueCrypt


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Pale Moon
PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 1:28 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Mar 31, 2007 2:38 am
Posts: 902
Location: Kce,PL
webfork wrote:
The IANAL acronym is important here.

True.
IANAL either.

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Waterfox
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:42 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:09 am
Posts: 912
Location: Terra @ Sol System
Although not portable (yet?) this specialized x64 Firefox fork is claiming to be even faster than Pale Moon: http://waterfoxproject.org/


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Waterfox
PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:27 am 
Offline

Joined: Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:45 pm
Posts: 598
Midas wrote:
Although not portable (yet?) this specialized x64 Firefox fork is claiming to be even faster than Pale Moon: http://waterfoxproject.org/

It claims to be faster based on certain benchmarks:
http://waterfoxproject.org/benchmarks

Interesting results. According to their benchmarks, looks like native Firefox blows away both Waterfox and Pale Moon on V8.

_________________
is it stealth? ;)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Pale Moon
PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:02 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:09 am
Posts: 912
Location: Terra @ Sol System
What is V8? :roll:

The Sunspider results are peculiar, too...


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Pale Moon
PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:31 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Mar 31, 2007 2:38 am
Posts: 902
Location: Kce,PL
Quote:
Waterfox was compiled with Intel's C++ Compiler with the following optimisations: Intel's Math Library, SSE3, AVX for supported Intel processors, jemalloc, Profile-Guided Optimisation and the /O3 switch.

Intel compiler is known to generate code that's crippled on non-Intel CPUs. There are fixes for this (patching the compiler or the binaries), but if you're using AMD or VIA or whatever, take care.

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Pale Moon
PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 5:16 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:09 am
Posts: 912
Location: Terra @ Sol System
Waterfox 15 now supports a portable version... (untested!) Check http://waterfoxproject.org/downloads/


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Pale Moon
PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:16 am 
Offline

Joined: Sat Mar 26, 2011 2:31 am
Posts: 646
Midas wrote:
Waterfox 15 now supports a portable version... (untested!) Check http://waterfoxproject.org/downloads/

Not portable. Shares Firefox's profile in APPDATA.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Pale Moon
PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:23 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:45 pm
Posts: 598
@webfork - Perhaps fork the Waterfox discussion into another thread? Starting from this post?
viewtopic.php?p=44737#p44737

_________________
is it stealth? ;)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Pale Moon
PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:59 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:09 am
Posts: 912
Location: Terra @ Sol System
freakazoid wrote:
@webfork - Perhaps fork the Waterfox discussion into another thread? Starting from this post?
viewtopic.php?p=44737#p44737
I agree.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Waterfox - unofficial 64-bit version of Firefox
PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 1:14 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2007 8:06 pm
Posts: 3473
Location: US, Texas
freakazoid wrote:
@webfork - Perhaps fork the Waterfox discussion into another thread? Starting from this post?
viewtopic.php?p=44737#p44737

Good call


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Waterfox - unofficial 64-bit version of Firefox
PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:01 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:09 am
Posts: 912
Location: Terra @ Sol System
Just a passing note to point that there seems to be a portable 15.0 version @ http://sourceforge.net/projects/waterfoxproj/files/portable/


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 15 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 8 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  

Protected by Anti-Spam ACP Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group