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 Post subject: Opera Presto source code leaked
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:51 pm 
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The source code to one of TPFC's beloved browsers is now on some code sharing sites. Opera Presto v12.15 (not v12.18) has been leaked, probably by a disgruntled, former Opera employee.

Read more about it on BleepingComputer:
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/s ... ks-online/

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 Post subject: Re: Opera Presto source code leaked
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:42 pm 
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Amazing. Was wondering if such a thing would happen. According to the the user's Github profile the repo was updated 2016-02-24, so it's possible it's just been sitting there for a year unnoticed.


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 Post subject: Re: Opera Presto source code leaked
PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:23 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Opera Presto source code leaked
PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2017 4:20 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Opera Presto source code leaked
PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2017 4:25 am 
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May sound exciting to Opera 12 fans like me. But what could be the actual use of the leaked code? Making good ol' Presto compatible with state-of-the-art web technology might be a lot of work. Last but not least, hosting the code and even using it in a software release would be illegal.

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 Post subject: Re: Opera Presto source code leaked
PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2017 6:51 am 
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Emka wrote:
... Last but not least, hosting the code and even using it in a software release would be illegal.

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 Post subject: Re: Opera Presto source code leaked
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:32 pm 
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Midas wrote:
Emka wrote:
... Last but not least, hosting the code and even using it in a software release would be illegal.

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    :)


I agree with that quote.


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 Post subject: Re: Opera Presto source code leaked
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:38 pm 
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Yeah, well. Not that I consider this leak inherently and morally evil. Hope that's clear. Still, according to the news mentioned in the first post, lawsuits were already filed. So I think the question what the actual use of the code will be is appropriate - regardless of what I or you or we consider freedom - as long as Opera Software ASA holds certain rights it can exercise - no matter if I or you or we consider that appropriate/justified/whatever.

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 Post subject: Re: Opera Presto source code leaked
PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 1:04 am 
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I guess my interest is if someone or a team of hacker enthusiasts can reverse-engineer the Presto code so it can be brought up to current web standards, Opera Presto would still be a viable, alternative browser in a small package.

Although, Firefox is probably the best browser as far as customization goes and for security and privacy advocates like myself.

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 Post subject: Re: Opera Presto source code leaked
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freakazoid wrote:
I guess my interest is if someone or a team of hacker enthusiasts can reverse-engineer the Presto code so it can be brought up to current web standards, Opera Presto would still be a viable, alternative browser in a small package.


It's unlikely. Implementing support for all the new web standards Presto doesn't support requires much more manpower than a team of hackers would have. Just look at how badly Pale Moon is struggling: they suffer for severe compatibility issues because they're too far behind Firefox, and websites detect PM as Firefox and attempt to use features which Firefox has but PM doesn't.

Note: this problem wouldn't exist if the sites used feature detection instead, as they should. Quoting Pale Moon release notes page:

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HTML offers plenty of ways to do proper feature detection; site owners should use them.
Seriously people, it was a bad idea 20 years ago, and it's a worse idea in 2016.

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 Post subject: Re: Opera Presto source code leaked
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SYSTEM wrote:
Note: this problem wouldn't exist if the sites used feature detection instead, as they should.

    Just a note to point out that -- although intended for Gecko based browsers -- there is something agreeing with you at http://geckoisgecko.org/...


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 Post subject: Re: Opera Presto source code leaked
PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:19 pm 
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emka wrote:
... what could be the actual use of the leaked code?

It might be something developers can draw from since it's probably some extraordinary work that inspired the kind of love I saw for Presto. Even a cursory look at our site reveals Opera was the favorite program of at least 5 of our regulars for years.

emka wrote:
Making good ol' Presto compatible with state-of-the-art web technology might be a lot of work.
SYSTEM wrote:
Implementing support for all the new web standards Presto doesn't support requires much more manpower than a team of hackers would have.

Agreed. It would be very difficult and expensive, which is why Opera switched to Blink. Software is hard and the web is not simple.

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... hosting the code and even using it in a software release would be illegal.

I hope so but from what I understand about the legal bits behind it, I don't think this has much shot of finding a lasting home.

  • Copyright is very well-established legal ground and even if Opera walked away from Presto in every other way, they still own copyright and I'd be surprised if anyone would risk going into a court over that.

  • Even if Opera *specifically* announced they didn't care, that wouldn't be the end of it: there's very likely intellectual property in Presto that they had to license, which adds to the legal complexity.

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 Post subject: Re: Opera Presto source code leaked
PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:30 am 
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Here is a link to a custom made 32-bit build of Opera 12.15 with some patches applied to it:

REMOVED


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 Post subject: Re: Opera Presto source code leaked
PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 1:34 pm 
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1. Here's a link to a newer custom made build:

REMOVED

2. I made a Discord Server for it. You can join it by going to https://discord.gg/WV9s9uw.


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 Post subject: Re: Opera Presto source code leaked
PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:24 pm 
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Would be good to know what has been patched or modified.

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