Well, Andrew switched the entry seven hours
after you suggested switching it.
VLC was known-broken since about 2008 ( viewtopic.php?f=8&t=3848
) and the media library (core functionality) was completely broken as you moved PCs for well over a year yet no mention was made in the listing on PFC and no move was made to switch to a fully portable package like VLC Portable. That's more what I was referring to.
AFAIK, VLC was originally natively portable. It has become less and less portable over time. No one suggested switching the entry simply because the change was so slow. I think such "kinda, sorta, a little bit portable listings" aren't normally allowed.
VLC was kinda sorta portable a long time ago but hadn't been in years when the listing was finally updated to VLC Portable.
Correct, that may happen when portability is lost slowly.
There have been quite a few discussions where it was argued that a given listing should be the main app with the instructions to make portable (extract from installer, change setting, X is left behind, Y doesn't work) over a fully-portable PortableApps.com Format package. In nearly all of those, the 'native' kinda portable version won out. I may disagree with that choice, but it is the way things work and what Andrew and the other longtime members prefer.
I'd like to clarify that I prefer those choices as well.
VLC was a "kinda, sorta, a little bit portable listing" and its entry should have been switched earlier. In most of the other cases where you've suggested switching an entry, the natively portable option hasn't been that bad.
While it's perfectly acceptable for other people to have different guidelines to work from, I think most people expect an app to fully work as you move PCs and not leave things behind in order to be called 'portable'.
I don't think so. To begin with, most people don't even notice if something is left behind. (On the other hand, if an application leaves files to a visible location such as the desktop, it's not portable in my opinion.)
That seems like it was a user not following all the instructions. Perhaps there should be a general set of guidelines on how to follow the instructions, understanding what the listing means and what PFC considers 'portable' linked to from every page. We do this on PortableApps.com with our What is a Portable App? page.
Won't work. We can't force anyone to read the instructions.
Use care when downloading from Portable Freeware Collection as they have a different definition of what is 'portable' than we do. Unless an application is 'stealth', it may leave files and registry entries behind. Minor things like recent file list may be broken as well. By contrast, our guidelines guarantee that nothing is left behind and nothing breaks as you move PCs.
Except that's not entirely accurate, as with some apps more important things are broken like themes, custom backgrounds, logs, smiley packs, etc. And if an app isn't listed as 'stealth' it will (not may) leave files or registry entries as well (otherwise it would be listed as stealth). You'd need to read the individual listing to see what and the listing may not specify.
Being inaccurate is better than giving a very bad impression.
IIRC, there was a long argument about switching from Pidgin to Pidgin portable in the database despite the fact that lots of different things (smiley themes, some plugins, logging in many cases, etc) were broken. PFC folks, in general, overlook things that they don't consider core functionality despite the fact that many other users may consider a lot of those things part of the app that should just work.
PFC folks, including me, dislike wrappers and that's why the natively portable version is usually listed as the main option.
Note that we give the visitor choice. If a visitor considers something core functionality, he/she is free to download the PortableApps.com or winPenPack version.
But it seems to me little friendly when you try to defend your platform and your concept of portable applications. At such times you look like a sort of Bill Gates, trying to monopolize the "market" of portable apps at any price, seeking confrontation needlessly because, as you've said, "PortableApps.com is the world's most popular portable software site".
I appreciate your feedback. I only stated the most popular software site in reference to why the guidelines have some weight behind them. If someone wants to know what a portable app is and types it into Google, they'll wind up looking at our guidelines.
I'm happy to have competition in the market and have no need to monopolize it (because then it stagnates). That's one of the reasons why we're the only project that has 100% open source portable tools, portable tool builders, and an open portable format. I only have issues with illegal use of our and others software (not referring to PFC, mind you), passing off others' work as your own (again, not PFC) or things that could confuse folks getting involved.
To me, the whole PortableApps.com Platform looks like a vendor lock-in
, even though it's open source.